Elgin 16S 19J LS adj. 5p B.W. Raymond Up & Down indicator #22168525 pocket watch, YGF SB&B case

Elgin 16S 19J LS adj. 5p B.W. Raymond Up & Down indicator #22168525 pocket watch, YGF SB&B case

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Elgin 16S 19J lever set (LS) adj. 5p B.W. Raymond Up & Down indicator #22168525 pocket watch, beautiful nickel movement with gold jewel settings (GJS), gold center wheel and fancy damascene pattern, single-sunk porcelain enamel indicator dial with fancy bold Arabic numbers has some very faint hairlines (not distracting), bold blue steel hands, attractive yellow gold filled (YGF) smooth polish B.W. Raymond model screw back & bezel (SB&B) case with engraved bezels and shoulders, rigid bow and reeded frame, case showing a very thin line of wear on back bezel, measures approx. 51mm in diameter x 13mm thick (crystal included). Impressive high grade triple signed Elgin in very good condition throughout!
  • Company: Elgin
  • Movement Size: 16S
  • Jewels: 19J
  • Setting/Movement Type: lever
  • Adjustments: 5 positions
  • Model/Grade: B.W. Raymond Up & Down indicator
  • Serial #: 22168525
  • Movement Finish: nickel
  • Movement Details: GJS, gold center wheel
  • Dial Material: porcelain enamel
  • Dial Details: subsidiary power register
  • Case Style: SB&B
  • Case Material: Gold Filled - Yellow
  • Case Details: rigid bow, B.W. Raymond model case
  • Case Width/Diameter: 51mm (2.01 inches)
  • Case Length, bow included: 62mm (2.44 inches)
  • Case Thickness: 13mm (0.51 inches)
  • Crystal Material: plastic
  • Misc. Info: triple signed
  • Year Made: 1919-1920
  • Condition: Very Good
  • Gender: Gentlemen's
The Elgin watch company, out of Elgin, Illinois, was in business from 1864-1964, and while active, was the largest-producing American watch company, manufacturing an estimated half of all pocket watches ("dollar" watches not included).  By 1956 they had produced over 55 million pocket and wrist watches.

As an additional resource, we've posted a Serial Number Production List which includes information for Elgin serial numbers and dates of manufacture.
The NAWCC also has a comprehensive article about the company.
This watch is in good running condition, unless otherwise noted in the description.  This means that on receipt, pending any item-specific running conditions noted in the description, you can expect the watch to be winding and setting properly and to run smoothly while keeping reasonable time.  We consider "reasonable time" to meet these basic guidelines:
  • Railroad Grade Watches will be keeping +/- 5 minutes per day
  • Pocket and Wrist Watches with 15 or more jewels will be keeping +/- 10 minutes per day
  • All key wind watches and watches with 14 or fewer jewels will be keeping +/- 15 minutes per day
The above guideline is the lowest standard in which we would ship out a watch, however in most cases, you will see much better timekeeping.  Most of our watches have been in storage for many years, so if you plan on carrying/wearing them everyday, you should consider having them cleaned and oiled soon, and then once a year thereafter to keep them in top running condition.  If the watches will be for occasional use or display, they should be cleaned and serviced every 3 to 5 years depending on use.

We do have a professional watchmaker that does all of our cleaning and repair work for us.  To have your watch serviced before shipping, simply add this Cleaning/Service Agreement to your shopping basket.  The cleaning and timing service is $95, and depending on the time of the year, has a turnaround time of 1 to 3 weeks.

Please note that we provide this service in addition to the listed purchase price of our watches.  If you do purchase this option and later decide to return the watch, this fee is non-refundable.
This is considered a "railroad-grade" pocket watch.  To be a railroad-grade watch, the following criteria must be met:
  • be 16S or 18S
  • have 17 or more jewels
  • be lever set
  • be in an open face case
  • be adjusted to 5 or more positions.
In order to ensure the accuracy of pocket watches used by railroad employees, with the ultimate goal of preventing train accidents, the General Railroad Timepiece Standards Commission published a set of guidelines for railroad companies and watch manufacturers in 1893.  These guidelines, which specified the criteria for a railroad-grade watch, were prepared by Webb C. Ball, the general time inspector of North American railroads and founder of the Ball Watch Company.

For more information, visit this Wikipedia article on railroad chronometers or this Smithsonian National Postal Museum article on the influential train wreck tragedy that resulted in the establishment of railroad watch standards.

Our entire collection of such timepieces may also be viewed at our Railroad Grade Watches category.
Unlike modern quartz watches, most vintage watches need daily winding in order to keep the watch functioning for timekeeping.  Additionally, there are a number of different ways to set the time other than simply pulling the crown away from the watch body.  We are happy to provide an overview of each of the different setting types on our "How To Use" page, where we also provide information on proper winding techniques for each style and some suggestions for the proper long term care and storage of your watch.

For additional information on gold colors and how they are classified, please check out this helpful Wikipedia article.

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We process a very large number of watches and accessories each year for sale via our web site, eBay and local avenues.  We attempt to offer descriptions and photos that are as complete and clear as possible on each item, and we always encourage you to write us with questions if something is not addressed in the description!

In each description, we attempt to note the following things:
<maker><size><jewels><setting><adjustments><grade/model><serial number>, <movement information>, <dial information>, <hand information>, <case information>, <misc. information>, <overall condition and comments>

Taking an example of a watch already described, we've bracketed the different sections and ordered them as above:
<Ball-Hamilton> <16S> <21J> <LS> <adj.> <Official RR Standard> <#B651197>, <nickel movement with gold jewel settings and concentric circle damascene pattern, should be noted that the gears on the movement may not be all original however watch is running strong and not affecting running condition>, <porcelain Ball marked dial with Arabic numbers has very faint hairline (not distracting)>, <blue steel hands>, <beautiful YGF SB&B Ball marked case with engraved bezels and blank monogram shield showing normal even wear (no brass)>, <fancy bow>.  <High grade Ball watch in very good condition, perfect to carry everyday!>

We also provide a List of Abbreviations that we use in our descriptions, as well as a Pocket Watch Sizing Chart that explains numerically and graphically the various sizes of pocket watches that we offer.
We offer a 30-day return period beginning the day you receive your items for all PM Time Service merchandise.  To receive a full refund, the item must be return in "as shipped" condition, with no new personalized engravings or end-user adaptions.  Items damaged in transit will be eligible for the full refund pending the application of the insurance claim on the damaged watch or item.  Please see our Shipping & Return Policy page for full details.
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